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		<title>By: Windpaw</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/28/there-are-dramaz-on-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2716</link>
		<dc:creator>Windpaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve only recently joined the prot-pally ranks.  For what it&#039;s worth - tanking has been an absolute joy.  Now take this with the following grains of salt:

Grain #1 - I&#039;m only level 59

Grain #2 - I&#039;ve obviously yet to tank raids or anything other than nerfed vanilla WoW 5-man instances.

That said - after having tanked on a warrior at 80 and being a (fairly) regular druid tank, nothing quite *fit* as well as the experience I&#039;ve had as a protection paladin.

AoE threat is much easier to manage.  But more than that - the taunts - particularly that lovely 3-mob taunt that can be targeted at the player with aggro vs. the mobs themselves are just a joy to use when things go pear-shaped.

I *really* enjoy tanking on my Pally.  That&#039;s huge.  That&#039;s something Blizzard should bring to the other tanking classes.  Is it too easy?  Maybe - I honestly don&#039;t have enough experience with the class to say.  But it is *fun* - hell yeah.  And that - is what I think matters.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only recently joined the prot-pally ranks.  For what it&#8217;s worth &#8211; tanking has been an absolute joy.  Now take this with the following grains of salt:</p>
<p>Grain #1 &#8211; I&#8217;m only level 59</p>
<p>Grain #2 &#8211; I&#8217;ve obviously yet to tank raids or anything other than nerfed vanilla WoW 5-man instances.</p>
<p>That said &#8211; after having tanked on a warrior at 80 and being a (fairly) regular druid tank, nothing quite *fit* as well as the experience I&#8217;ve had as a protection paladin.</p>
<p>AoE threat is much easier to manage.  But more than that &#8211; the taunts &#8211; particularly that lovely 3-mob taunt that can be targeted at the player with aggro vs. the mobs themselves are just a joy to use when things go pear-shaped.</p>
<p>I *really* enjoy tanking on my Pally.  That&#8217;s huge.  That&#8217;s something Blizzard should bring to the other tanking classes.  Is it too easy?  Maybe &#8211; I honestly don&#8217;t have enough experience with the class to say.  But it is *fun* &#8211; hell yeah.  And that &#8211; is what I think matters.<br />
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		<title>By: Rhidach</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/28/there-are-dramaz-on-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2690</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhidach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get outta mah class, Fal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get outta mah class, Fal.</p>
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		<title>By: Falowin</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/28/there-are-dramaz-on-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2687</link>
		<dc:creator>Falowin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Effing facerolling paladin noobs....yer OP...yer OP...yer OP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Effing facerolling paladin noobs&#8230;.yer OP&#8230;yer OP&#8230;yer OP.</p>
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		<title>By: Prot on Prot Hate &#124; WoWphiles: The WoW Community Blog for players of World of Warcraft</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/28/there-are-dramaz-on-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2678</link>
		<dc:creator>Prot on Prot Hate &#124; WoWphiles: The WoW Community Blog for players of World of Warcraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] permission. Read this and other posts at http://honorscode.blogspot.com/   Today my buddy Rhidach was talking about the abuse being thrown Paladins way both in game on the Forums. It’s even infiltrated once great sites like [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] permission. Read this and other posts at <a href="http://honorscode.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://honorscode.blogspot.com/</a>   Today my buddy Rhidach was talking about the abuse being thrown Paladins way both in game on the Forums. It’s even infiltrated once great sites like [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Demogar</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/28/there-are-dramaz-on-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2675</link>
		<dc:creator>Demogar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does cut both ways though.

I admit the forums are filled with Warriors complaining about Paladin but in a closed atmosphere where Paladin weren&#039;t also responding to every legitimate Warrior post asking for buffs telling them they are noobs who just want to be the god tank of the game and want everyone else to be incapable of tanking again, I don&#039;t think the debate would be so heated.

As it is there are barely any posts of a Warrior legitimately asking for buffs while pointing out the areas where we are obviously lacking (and they are MANY) that doesn&#039;t have a Paladin or more rarely a Druid coming in and telling us why those many deficiencies don&#039;t matter and we should shut up and l2p because we just want to be the ONLY tank again... when in fact all we want is to not be (to some degree or another) the worst in basically every measurable area.

If AoE doesn&#039;t matter because its only trash then why NOT buff us where we are lacking?

If DPS doesn&#039;t matter because we&#039;re tanks and not DPS then why NOT buff us relative to the other classes?

Anyway my point is that Paladin aren&#039;t poor innocent bystanders on the forum and they contribute to the chaos as much as Warriors do.

I DO think Paladin are obnoxiously OP when compared to my class but that doesn&#039;t make you noob facerollers. I played a Warlock in vanilla when they were considered a broken joke that was the most complicated class to play in the game and I melted faces with him anyway. Then they added a horror to Death Coil and suddenly we were suddenly OP nub facerollers that took no skill at all.

Anyway point is that class friction on the forum has been fanned by both sides. When DKs were OP Paladin and Warriors were there complaining about it while DKs told us to l2p.. Now the situation has completely reversed and most forum Paladin are fighting against Warrior buffs with every fiber of their being.

But you&#039;re gonna find trolls on the forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does cut both ways though.</p>
<p>I admit the forums are filled with Warriors complaining about Paladin but in a closed atmosphere where Paladin weren&#8217;t also responding to every legitimate Warrior post asking for buffs telling them they are noobs who just want to be the god tank of the game and want everyone else to be incapable of tanking again, I don&#8217;t think the debate would be so heated.</p>
<p>As it is there are barely any posts of a Warrior legitimately asking for buffs while pointing out the areas where we are obviously lacking (and they are MANY) that doesn&#8217;t have a Paladin or more rarely a Druid coming in and telling us why those many deficiencies don&#8217;t matter and we should shut up and l2p because we just want to be the ONLY tank again&#8230; when in fact all we want is to not be (to some degree or another) the worst in basically every measurable area.</p>
<p>If AoE doesn&#8217;t matter because its only trash then why NOT buff us where we are lacking?</p>
<p>If DPS doesn&#8217;t matter because we&#8217;re tanks and not DPS then why NOT buff us relative to the other classes?</p>
<p>Anyway my point is that Paladin aren&#8217;t poor innocent bystanders on the forum and they contribute to the chaos as much as Warriors do.</p>
<p>I DO think Paladin are obnoxiously OP when compared to my class but that doesn&#8217;t make you noob facerollers. I played a Warlock in vanilla when they were considered a broken joke that was the most complicated class to play in the game and I melted faces with him anyway. Then they added a horror to Death Coil and suddenly we were suddenly OP nub facerollers that took no skill at all.</p>
<p>Anyway point is that class friction on the forum has been fanned by both sides. When DKs were OP Paladin and Warriors were there complaining about it while DKs told us to l2p.. Now the situation has completely reversed and most forum Paladin are fighting against Warrior buffs with every fiber of their being.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re gonna find trolls on the forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention There are dramaz on the internet &#124; Righteous Defense -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention There are dramaz on the internet &#124; Righteous Defense -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anafielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anafielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are quite a writer. A pretty amazing one. I wish everyone vented in such an aesthetically pleasing manner. I know that&#039;s not the reaction you were going for, but it&#039;s the one I had :P

On topic-
There are frankly too many people in the world whose first reaction to something that hurts or angers them is to lash out and attack someone else. It&#039;s a damn sight easier to flame someone else than to improve your own play, and in a viscious way it vents their frustration. 

Sure, it&#039;s our time in the sun, like you put it. I don&#039;t think any of us have a problem with legitament, logical arguments about why pallies are uniquely suited to tank certain kinds of content. What I at least have a problem with is the flaming and self-indulgent whining that makes the official forums such a cesspool. Although I guess I&#039;m glad the trolls have someplace to shit their crap out... I just wish it would stay there instead of seeping out onto Maintankadin and elsewhere. 

I&#039;m sorry you had someone troll your blog. =/ And I guess we all just need thick skin these days if we&#039;re going to be engaged in the online wow community, because it&#039;s chock full of little children and selfish whiners who do things like flame and then throw a smiley on the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are quite a writer. A pretty amazing one. I wish everyone vented in such an aesthetically pleasing manner. I know that&#8217;s not the reaction you were going for, but it&#8217;s the one I had :P</p>
<p>On topic-<br />
There are frankly too many people in the world whose first reaction to something that hurts or angers them is to lash out and attack someone else. It&#8217;s a damn sight easier to flame someone else than to improve your own play, and in a viscious way it vents their frustration. </p>
<p>Sure, it&#8217;s our time in the sun, like you put it. I don&#8217;t think any of us have a problem with legitament, logical arguments about why pallies are uniquely suited to tank certain kinds of content. What I at least have a problem with is the flaming and self-indulgent whining that makes the official forums such a cesspool. Although I guess I&#8217;m glad the trolls have someplace to shit their crap out&#8230; I just wish it would stay there instead of seeping out onto Maintankadin and elsewhere. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you had someone troll your blog. =/ And I guess we all just need thick skin these days if we&#8217;re going to be engaged in the online wow community, because it&#8217;s chock full of little children and selfish whiners who do things like flame and then throw a smiley on the end.</p>
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		<title>By: honorshammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>honorshammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Warriors won&#039;t stop complaining until they are back on top. We should enjoy our time at the top dog tank. It won&#039;t last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Warriors won&#8217;t stop complaining until they are back on top. We should enjoy our time at the top dog tank. It won&#8217;t last.</p>
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		<title>By: Soul</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/28/there-are-dramaz-on-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2656</link>
		<dc:creator>Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I play my pala since month before TBC, and I was taning back than and I am tanking now, and I can only say to those whiners one thing: U can faceroll with all tanking classes, but you can only shine as tank when u start using your extra abilities (for pala as example) there are couple of hand spells which if used properly can save the day easily, and all tanking classes have couple of similar spells.
As it seems to me all these talks points to AOE - well, lets face it todays game is much different than vanilla or TBC, in TBC was hard for me to find a group for HCs because &quot;palas cant tank&quot;, than I got spot, make couple of LoS pulls and wooow, &quot;u r super tank, can I add u to friends?&quot; 
my point is: all tanking classes can do same, it is just what you do when things go out of control.
besided we r talking pala aoe tanking is OP, I still didnt manage to pull aggro of wandering group like warriors can.
so, yes our dps in AOE pulls are OP, but arent boss fights which counts in progression?

on a side note: I have frost DK as an alt which is grinding daily HCs for frosts to buy primordial, and I can assure you pala tanking was never so easy as DK (talent D&amp;D for 15 secs CD and than put it down on group, run in, use HB, sleep, go to next group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I play my pala since month before TBC, and I was taning back than and I am tanking now, and I can only say to those whiners one thing: U can faceroll with all tanking classes, but you can only shine as tank when u start using your extra abilities (for pala as example) there are couple of hand spells which if used properly can save the day easily, and all tanking classes have couple of similar spells.<br />
As it seems to me all these talks points to AOE &#8211; well, lets face it todays game is much different than vanilla or TBC, in TBC was hard for me to find a group for HCs because &#8220;palas cant tank&#8221;, than I got spot, make couple of LoS pulls and wooow, &#8220;u r super tank, can I add u to friends?&#8221;<br />
my point is: all tanking classes can do same, it is just what you do when things go out of control.<br />
besided we r talking pala aoe tanking is OP, I still didnt manage to pull aggro of wandering group like warriors can.<br />
so, yes our dps in AOE pulls are OP, but arent boss fights which counts in progression?</p>
<p>on a side note: I have frost DK as an alt which is grinding daily HCs for frosts to buy primordial, and I can assure you pala tanking was never so easy as DK (talent D&amp;D for 15 secs CD and than put it down on group, run in, use HB, sleep, go to next group.</p>
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		<title>By: The Renaissance Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Renaissance Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Druids are still ahead of us in terms of EH, and cooldown usage, with a one minute barkskin, plus their functional 4T10 bonus. Not to mention that their block is actually superior to ours on most fights in ICC.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Druids are still ahead of us in terms of EH, and cooldown usage, with a one minute barkskin, plus their functional 4T10 bonus. Not to mention that their block is actually superior to ours on most fights in ICC.<br />
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