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		<title>By: Thorned</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/26/our-aoe-tanking-to-get-anerf/comment-page-1/#comment-2688</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, its just a troll. 
Oh well, here you go :-) 
*throws a trout in the air* 
cmon catch it.
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yeah, good boy :-) 
Nice Catch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, its just a troll.<br />
Oh well, here you go :-)<br />
*throws a trout in the air*<br />
cmon catch it.<br />
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yeah, good boy :-)<br />
Nice Catch.</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/26/our-aoe-tanking-to-get-anerf/comment-page-1/#comment-2677</link>
		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys make dumb look smart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys make dumb look smart.</p>
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		<title>By: tankadin</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/26/our-aoe-tanking-to-get-anerf/comment-page-1/#comment-2670</link>
		<dc:creator>tankadin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the warrior and DK — to a lesser extent — communities will ever stop the whine train on the official forums until they are clearly the best tank in all situations. Nothing is going to make them stop short of being the best single target and AoE tank. Blizz will over-buff their AoE threat/DPS across the board and they will find something else to complain about. Blizz will accommodate them until all tank classes are the same and then warriors are going to quit in droves because it&#039;s too easy and all the tanks are the same. That&#039;s about what I see coming in the next xpac. Hope I&#039;m wrong, but they are relentless in their bitching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the warrior and DK — to a lesser extent — communities will ever stop the whine train on the official forums until they are clearly the best tank in all situations. Nothing is going to make them stop short of being the best single target and AoE tank. Blizz will over-buff their AoE threat/DPS across the board and they will find something else to complain about. Blizz will accommodate them until all tank classes are the same and then warriors are going to quit in droves because it&#8217;s too easy and all the tanks are the same. That&#8217;s about what I see coming in the next xpac. Hope I&#8217;m wrong, but they are relentless in their bitching.</p>
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		<title>By: What's my main Again?</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/26/our-aoe-tanking-to-get-anerf/comment-page-1/#comment-2664</link>
		<dc:creator>What's my main Again?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it comes down to slow and steady wins the race. Paladin and DK aoe is a psuedo set and forget and druids is a one button spam but all three apply a steady amount of damage to all mobs including new mobs just joining in. Warriors on the otherhand are gimped by cd&#039;s. I love the burst of threat I can put out with a thunderclap... but if one or 2 mobs happened to be out of range or I missed them entirely then I am done applying threat to them till my cd comes up again. The other thing that warriors don&#039;t have that others do is some sort of cd to apply a bunch of threat on demand. Pallies have avenging wrath and druids have beserk. Dk&#039;s have empowered run weapon which may not be the greatest but is  at least something.

Giving a warrior an ability that say refreshes the cd on thunderclap and shockwave on a 2 min cd would go a long way to balancing some of the issues warriors have on aoe threat.
.-= What&#039;s my main Again?&#039;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://whatsmymain.blogspot.com/2010/01/big-blag-update.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Big Blag Update&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it comes down to slow and steady wins the race. Paladin and DK aoe is a psuedo set and forget and druids is a one button spam but all three apply a steady amount of damage to all mobs including new mobs just joining in. Warriors on the otherhand are gimped by cd&#8217;s. I love the burst of threat I can put out with a thunderclap&#8230; but if one or 2 mobs happened to be out of range or I missed them entirely then I am done applying threat to them till my cd comes up again. The other thing that warriors don&#8217;t have that others do is some sort of cd to apply a bunch of threat on demand. Pallies have avenging wrath and druids have beserk. Dk&#8217;s have empowered run weapon which may not be the greatest but is  at least something.</p>
<p>Giving a warrior an ability that say refreshes the cd on thunderclap and shockwave on a 2 min cd would go a long way to balancing some of the issues warriors have on aoe threat.<br />
<span class="cluv"> What&#8217;s my main Again?&#8217;s last blog ..<a href="http://whatsmymain.blogspot.com/2010/01/big-blag-update.html" rel="nofollow">Big Blag Update</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" style="border-color:#ffffff;" src="http://rhida.ch/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart2.png"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: saif</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/26/our-aoe-tanking-to-get-anerf/comment-page-1/#comment-2663</link>
		<dc:creator>saif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my healers complained that a paladin was easier to keep up than a DK on heavy melee fights like Algalon or Festergut on 3 inhales, I reminded the DKs to chain cooldowns when they see their health spiking downward and call for CDs if they need it from healers. Problem solved. I ran for ages alongside a Warrior tank and we had a really good competition in gear and survivability.

I&#039;m also sick of warriors in my guild constantly whining about how bad warriors have it . One of them literally logs in and immediately starts complaining about his class. Or DKs who whine about ret paladins who &quot;stole my BiS weapon.&quot;

I just don&#039;t get it. When tank gear drops I check it over with my other tank and will pass if the upgrade is better for him and a lot of my co-tanks do the same. Blah. Whatever. I usually just tell people my main was a bear tank that I raided with in TBC to shut them up when they tell me I play a face-roll class.

I&#039;m sick of being poop&#039;d on. That&#039;s it, Internet Trolls.

/RighteousFury
/AvengingWrath
/Judgment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my healers complained that a paladin was easier to keep up than a DK on heavy melee fights like Algalon or Festergut on 3 inhales, I reminded the DKs to chain cooldowns when they see their health spiking downward and call for CDs if they need it from healers. Problem solved. I ran for ages alongside a Warrior tank and we had a really good competition in gear and survivability.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also sick of warriors in my guild constantly whining about how bad warriors have it . One of them literally logs in and immediately starts complaining about his class. Or DKs who whine about ret paladins who &#8220;stole my BiS weapon.&#8221;</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t get it. When tank gear drops I check it over with my other tank and will pass if the upgrade is better for him and a lot of my co-tanks do the same. Blah. Whatever. I usually just tell people my main was a bear tank that I raided with in TBC to shut them up when they tell me I play a face-roll class.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sick of being poop&#8217;d on. That&#8217;s it, Internet Trolls.</p>
<p>/RighteousFury<br />
/AvengingWrath<br />
/Judgment</p>
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		<title>By: Thorned</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/26/our-aoe-tanking-to-get-anerf/comment-page-1/#comment-2662</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us not forget that a lot of the good paladins today are players that tanked with their paladin against all odds when everything said it would be nearly impossible..
In a time where the word &quot;tank&quot; was connected with &quot;warrior&quot; and all bad tanks where warriors because there was no other tanking class.

Someone who is in the tanking business for just a few months (perhaps DK, I do not know and I will not judge) may misinterpret the term &quot;tanking&quot; for holding aggro of a few mobs.

Well.. thats perhaps 5% of whats really important..
Multiply that with the percentage of bossfights in icc and pdk and ulduar where aoe aggro at least partially matters and you get the importance of the issue. 

so... 1/20 times 6/26 should be 1.15% 
Well. What a crazy number. It is obvious that it is not very important.

(for reference the fights taken into account where: razorscale, mimiron, kologarn, thorim, Jaraxxus and the gunship battle)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us not forget that a lot of the good paladins today are players that tanked with their paladin against all odds when everything said it would be nearly impossible..<br />
In a time where the word &#8220;tank&#8221; was connected with &#8220;warrior&#8221; and all bad tanks where warriors because there was no other tanking class.</p>
<p>Someone who is in the tanking business for just a few months (perhaps DK, I do not know and I will not judge) may misinterpret the term &#8220;tanking&#8221; for holding aggro of a few mobs.</p>
<p>Well.. thats perhaps 5% of whats really important..<br />
Multiply that with the percentage of bossfights in icc and pdk and ulduar where aoe aggro at least partially matters and you get the importance of the issue. </p>
<p>so&#8230; 1/20 times 6/26 should be 1.15%<br />
Well. What a crazy number. It is obvious that it is not very important.</p>
<p>(for reference the fights taken into account where: razorscale, mimiron, kologarn, thorim, Jaraxxus and the gunship battle)</p>
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		<title>By: LDR</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/26/our-aoe-tanking-to-get-anerf/comment-page-1/#comment-2660</link>
		<dc:creator>LDR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I could resist responding to the trolls.  It sounded like DK said...
&quot;You paladins don&#039;t tank right, and the other kids are still picking you over me.  It&#039;s just not fair.  Mom and Dad always liked you best.  WAAAAAH!&quot;
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Many combat rotations can have a huge chunk placed into macro form across a couple of buttons (people are really disgusted that it&#039;s possible to combine two casts onto one button and three onto another button?).  Much the same way, anyone can sit in the pilot&#039;s seat when the plane&#039;s on autopilot.  Being smart enough to tell when something&#039;s going astray, and what to do about it, is another matter entirely.  Perhaps the problem is that there are some encounters where the paladin is performing better than somoene&#039;s favored character.  No tanking class is going to be dominant in all phases, but each tanking class has the ability to be competent in all phases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could resist responding to the trolls.  It sounded like DK said&#8230;<br />
&#8220;You paladins don&#8217;t tank right, and the other kids are still picking you over me.  It&#8217;s just not fair.  Mom and Dad always liked you best.  WAAAAAH!&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Many combat rotations can have a huge chunk placed into macro form across a couple of buttons (people are really disgusted that it&#8217;s possible to combine two casts onto one button and three onto another button?).  Much the same way, anyone can sit in the pilot&#8217;s seat when the plane&#8217;s on autopilot.  Being smart enough to tell when something&#8217;s going astray, and what to do about it, is another matter entirely.  Perhaps the problem is that there are some encounters where the paladin is performing better than somoene&#8217;s favored character.  No tanking class is going to be dominant in all phases, but each tanking class has the ability to be competent in all phases.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhidach</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/26/our-aoe-tanking-to-get-anerf/comment-page-1/#comment-2658</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhidach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our too easy what? I don&#039;t get it. 

I&#039;m sure you&#039;re a &lt;i&gt;fantastic&lt;/i&gt; tank, and it&#039;s a total injustice that we terk yer jerb. Totally not because you&#039;re probably twelve and a moron. Keep on truckin&#039; Sparky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our too easy what? I don&#8217;t get it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re a <i>fantastic</i> tank, and it&#8217;s a total injustice that we terk yer jerb. Totally not because you&#8217;re probably twelve and a moron. Keep on truckin&#8217; Sparky.</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/26/our-aoe-tanking-to-get-anerf/comment-page-1/#comment-2657</link>
		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol u guys make me laugh. Your too easy, just like your class ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol u guys make me laugh. Your too easy, just like your class ;)</p>
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		<title>By: tankadin</title>
		<link>http://rhida.ch/2010/01/26/our-aoe-tanking-to-get-anerf/comment-page-1/#comment-2648</link>
		<dc:creator>tankadin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Paladins are usually played by simplistic idiots with no idea of what tanking really is, so you better not nerf thier aoe or they may cry. Did I mention Most of the developers play Paladins. ;)  &quot;

Cue in the thousands of pages of warrior posts on the official forums where their tears flow like rivers as they complain that other tanks have it easy and they don&#039;t have the tools to get the job done. Now get back to slowing your raid down on trash ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Paladins are usually played by simplistic idiots with no idea of what tanking really is, so you better not nerf thier aoe or they may cry. Did I mention Most of the developers play Paladins. ;)  &#8221;</p>
<p>Cue in the thousands of pages of warrior posts on the official forums where their tears flow like rivers as they complain that other tanks have it easy and they don&#8217;t have the tools to get the job done. Now get back to slowing your raid down on trash ;)</p>
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