Comments on: The time has come Blizz: give us stances

By: slux

slux — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:10:51 +0000

DK’s frost presence isn’t really a stance, is it? It’s similar to an aura in that every DK ability is still useable in any presence unlike for warrior or druid.

By: Orthien

Orthien — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:09:20 +0000

If they did go for a stance system the simple solution to current Auras is to have magor and minor Auras. Have it so we can have one of each active at once, so we can pick one Stance Aura and one Resist/Mount Aura a\to run with at once.

By: Cassandri

Cassandri — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:47:57 +0000

Bite your tongue!

All the holy/disc priests cry for their “holyform” but changing in and out of Shadowform sucks. It sucks.

I can’t imagine changing stances on a Warrior is much fun either.

Whatever needs to be done to specialise or limit the 3 roles that a Paladin can take, this, hopefully, isn’t it.

By: jgalt

jgalt — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:29:54 +0000

give holy pallies a fear/aoe stun. get rid of bubble. pvp balancing issues solved.

By: adgamorix

adgamorix — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:49:28 +0000

I’d hate to see any of our threat or tanking abilities tied to our aura. This would mean sacrificing those abilities if we needed a resistance aura.

GC has already identified the real core of the problem, and I think we’ll see it fixed in Cat. Paladin base healing is just too good. A lot would be fixed if they say, made a 50 point talent restore the coefficient on healing spells – and the coefficient was reduced for all other specs.

Of course this would bone the prot/ret guy who didn’t have a holy offspec, but needed to off heal on a boss. Then again, IIRC spriests have pretty limited healing, same for feral/boomkin.

By: Vorian87

Vorian87 — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:23:07 +0000

and this is one of the most ill-thought of changes made to Paladins in recent times. If the LoH change goes through as is then I will just be asking my paladin healer to never use it on me.

the change is already marking us out as a butt of more jokes concerning the class and some “pro” players who think this change is good for class balance or w/e.

the dev’s definitely threw the ball on this one.

and as for stances… i would love “stances”. we already have a “stance-sharing” system in place such as the healing effect from devo aura, or the damage effect from ret aura which apply regardless of what aura we run.

let’s say ret paladins get the retribution aura stance. let’s say that this stance gives us 10% more damage and they take out +damage talents from the tree and nerf damage to compensate. in that case, we can get a new talent that says “you retain 8% damage from ret aura while under the effect of any other aura. increases damage of ret aura by 100% and all damage done by any of your party/raid members is increased by 3% while under the effect of any aura.”

let’s say prot pallies get the devotion aura stance. let’s say the stance gives us 1800 armor and we have the RF bonus i mentioned above. This would effect improved devo aura since that gives us some more armor but you would compensate the removal of that by saying that you retain 22/33/67% armor bonus from devo aura while under the effect of any other aura and the amount healed on friendly targets while under the effect of any aura is increased by 2/4/6%

and stuff like that is how the stances should work for paladins. So we retain some of our group utility through auras as it stands now and we have a warrior/DK like system of stances. just my $50

By: Vorian87

Vorian87 — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:07:07 +0000

“Righteous Fury: Increases threat generated from Holy spells by 40%.” Baseline spell.

“Improved Righteous Fury: Decreases all damage taken by 6% and while Devotion Aura is active, Righteous Fury will generate an additional 40% threat.”

By: dorgol

dorgol — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:53:28 +0000

One of the reasons I stopped playing my warrior in TBC was stances. I hated being in one stance, needing ability X… and knowing that by the time I used a GCD to get there it would be too late. Usually this was when trying to interrupt casters.

By: Rhidach

Rhidach — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:33:16 +0000

It’s definitely an inelegant solution, if a solution at all. Good point though, RF is fun for a free buff/6% damage reduction in pvp.

By: Tengen

Tengen — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:28:11 +0000

my only complaint with folding RF into Devotion Aura is that I won’t be able to use Devo Aura as an armor buff in raids with multiple ret paladins without over-threating everything, and it won’t work as a fake buff to eat a dispell in PvP. (and it wouldn’t give me a free flat 6% damage reduction for putting points into it anymore XD)

but yeah, everyone here has already said all the good ideas, so I’ll just throw in my moral support with a /agree