Comments on: hp5 is not a tanking stat

By: Stamina versus Balance, the debate rages on « Avenging Wrathy

Stamina versus Balance, the debate rages on « Avenging Wrathy — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:22:36 +0000

[...] of what I want to talk about today. In response to some of the comments that have been posted on Rhidach’s post about the Onyxia trinket, I wanted to go into a bit more depth on my philosophy of Stamina vs. anything else. I know that I [...]

By: Ohmymoogle

Ohmymoogle — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:35:56 +0000

The way i looked at the ony trink is.

“upgrade from thaddius defense trink”.

The reason i say this is because you get Defense + an avoidance stat, which makes this trinket not bad. The spellresist may be ok i guess for resist fights for certain bosses. The Hp thing i barely thought about it since it didn’t seem that big a deal. Nice but hardly appetizing.

As a high end tank i doubt i will need this trinket except for certain instances where my defense drops rock bottom and i need a trinket to equalize my defense back into shape ( i rarely get to this point by the way ).

Otherwise i would stick to the impending scarab + iron heart (or King Llane) combination which is way superior.

Anyway this is my current gear set

http://mognet.dlinkddns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=118&p=130#p130

I am using the 2 x 170 stamina trinkets from Direbrew instead of my alternative trinkets, black heart, stone furnace and frostborn. Any thoughts ? My dodge is around 25% ish, parry 21% ish, block around 45% ish with roughly 37k (when using the 2 stamina trinkets unbuffed).

By: Logan

Logan — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:39:31 +0000

Oh yeah, and i agree, the HP5 sucks, the fire resist sucks, and it´s from that age when everything from greens to epics had spirit just because… and made itemisation a lot less focused and specialized than it is today, and we all look at that time with rose-tinted goggles and say, “whoa those were the times”, yeah, the times when you spent more time farming mats for consumables than actually raiding because you had to make sure all 40 people were at their keyboards, understood the fight and well, do something else besides creating loot drama because bosses dropped very little loot and….

By: Logan

Logan — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:35:41 +0000

Well Wrathy, I see your point, however, I disagree, the thing is, even if you stack Avoidance (Which has it´s very own place, I´m not saying to go for Stam and stay on 30% avoidance) you are bound to end up with a very large health pool nowadays, why? because pretty much all gear right now has a very healthy mix of both things, you get a very nice threat pieces, some incredible avoidance ones, but there is one constant there, they all have HUGE chucks of stamina, why? well I can see 2 reasons:
First, STA is cheap, and i mean that on the whole itemization standpoint, you can get 2 points of STA and it costs as much as one point of STR, and it´s all good.
Second, unless you somehow manage to get to 100% raw avoidance (something i dont think is possible right now), if you manage to get hit by a boss, you WILL take damage, and the thing is, Big Bad Bosses nowadays hit HARD, so, you have to be able to soak up some punches, so you must have a large health pool anyway.

Personally, i believe there has to be a midpoint, or as tennis players can say, a “Sweet Spot”, where you do have a large enough health pool to take the punches, and still be capable of not taking all of them, because, we might be masochistic meatbags, but we cant afford severe brain cell damage from a 30k hit, right?

By: Wrathy

Wrathy — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:45:28 +0000

I actually have to disagree with you. This is just another angle of the long standing debate I am having with the paladin community on the necessity to stack stam stam stam. The hp5 and the fire resist are just relics of the old trinket and should not be considered part of the benefit of the trinket when you are evaluating it.

The Massive amount of defense and parry on the trinket are completely worth it. This is a best in slot for and avoidance trinket slot, because of the defense and parry alone. Yeah if it was dodge, it would be nice to not have to deal with the steep diminishing returns, but it still compliments a balanced set quite well. I for one will be picking up this trinket and wearing it for a good amount of the fights I tank.

By: tankadin

tankadin — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:20:47 +0000

Meh, I grabbed it on 10-man in case there’s a resist fight in Ice Crown that’s worse than Hodir. After seeing the melee neck I wanted to kick myself though, but unfortunately I rolled on it for main spec.

By: Lanaka

Lanaka — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:22:48 +0000

Oh, I’m not saying it’s any good. I’m just responding to what Resonate said about an upgraded trinket on Ony’s loot table. Either her or Nefarion (I can’t remember which) dropped a trinket just like that, back at 60.

By: Logan

Logan — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:35:51 +0000

The thing is… you dont get “cauterizing shitheal” unles you wear the 2 trnkets, which makes it suck even more

By: Adgamorix

Adgamorix — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:34:35 +0000

WTH is that shiny shard? Unless Cauterizing whatever is the greatest free heal — ever — there’s no way it could replace any trinket.

That goes up as “worst trinket ever”

By: Rhidach

Rhidach — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:20:48 +0000

@Adgamorix: Oh I know, that’s why I said “The only time this trinket should be used is if you’re not yet uncrittable and need the defense” :P And oh boy so I remember the pain of pugging Heroic MgT for the Commendation and losing it to a pvper. I wanted to reach through the Intertubes and strangle them.

@Lanaka: That’s even worse! At least the Purified trinket has defense on it to somewhat justify its existence.